MorB 3 - Your Thoughts

Just wondering what everyone thought about M3... I've got a lot to say, but I'm gonna hold off for a little to see what everyone else thought...

Hmm..well I thought that it waz really good but there was the time factor...

it would have been good to c it start earlier coz a few of are memberz had to leave coz of time restraints consequently crippling us enough not to win...ha ha ha thats a joke!

I understand that the Deb made it hard to get in and set up but u could have just flash banged them....:D

the servers ran good most of the time apart from the occasional frezzes in CS but who cares its CS..;)

I must say that the last round [>CD<] played waz really cool pitty we didnt get to Play [LOTD] cause I was looking forward to fraggin clawcity & Ace..:D

Well, I'm afraid you would've been disappointed even if you did play us cause Ace didn't show up. Pity though, if you suck as much as it sounds we could've had a close game........

heh
i thought morb went well
no power problems or anything like that
i do think the final of the CS/DoD comp should have been earlier and i also thought it was piss poor how people went home half ways thru
like if you had a valid reason yeh thats ok ut leaving because no-one was playin cs anymore is just gay
anyways i think you admin blokes did an awesome job organising it
-smurf

Sounds like a challenge!!!

we will meet next lan and arrrrr, didnt u forfiet against us???
and sorry but we dont spend every keystroke and mouse click playin CS or DoD so we bassicly got a crew together to have fun so that could be the reason why we where not competitive..

and Clawcity I hope u dont feel Indignant...:D

yeah post in here thoughts of the lan.

that comp took way to long, and i apologise for that

but i think there was plenty of other stuff goin on, im sure hoping every1 enjoyed theirself to some extent

each lan improves as we get feedback so post opinions here. and be honest.

The only reason [LOTD] forfeted was because our members for some reason or another had to go ------ Reaper------Skiddily and well ace the little bastard just couldn't be botherd turning up ------------------i so gonna kick his ass next time i see him

and for dod our ring in couldnt even play his comp would run it so basicly we were left with 3 players for dod and 4 for cs and our ring in had a bad habbit of caping our asses in CS so either way we still only had 3 players:p

*Pings where great.
*People where great
*Location was pretty good heaps of room.
*Comps ran a little too long.
*We where still playing at 5 in the morning but that was because we could :P and to make things run a little more smoothly.
*One other thing was most if not all the admins where pretty much in one clan so if that clan was playing we couldn't get maps changed other clan games underway etc. Though that only happened twice.
*Big Thanks to Jarrod, Dave, Bitch they put in heaps of effort and work to get it up and running. You guys did well!! *cheers*

be honest.

If I must.... This will be a bit of a rant, so I apologise for it now... Anyways, here we go:

Firstly, I must commend all the work that the Admins (the real ones, not people like me who got an admin pass and didn't do shit). You guys (and gal) put in a lot of work, and if it wasn't for you then none of this would have been possible. So don't take any of this to heart. I'm just throwing up some suggestions / comments that I thought...

The Comp.

I didn't go in it, which is probably why I'm writing all this. The main reason that me and a couple others left early is because we were bored. We didn't really want to go in the DoD/CS comp, and with almost everyone playing CS/DoD all the time, we didn't really have anyone to play anything else with. So basically we could have all stayed here in Hamilton and had a LAN at someone else's place and played the same stuff with the same people. Kinda made it a worthless trip.

I noticed that a team or two was short on players. I told a few people that if any teams needed fill-ins, that I could do it. But things were a little hectic for the comp, so I guess that's understandable, but what would have been great would have been a big board with each team listed, with all players, and then a list of players either looking for a clan to play for or just there to fill in... Perhaps I should have got off my ass and helped out though. Remind me next time to bring the projector and we can screen it up on the wall... plus a draw as well.

I noticed that a lot of people seemed to disappear off for meals / sleep and stuff, which stopped a comp game going ahead due to lack of players. Was this simply because they didn't know when their next game was, or didn't they care?

Servers all seemed to run good, from what I saw. For the handful of us who weren't playing comp games, we basically just started our own servers, cos we knew that we'd be the only ones playing whatever it was, so it didn't matter too much. Was a shame too, cos I was looking forward to playing a big game of SoF2 or something similar.

I'm gonna shut up now, and wait for some more comments before I rant again...

agreed there

some things didnt run as smoothly as we had hoped with the biathlon

i dont think we will be doing that again, but i must admit, it really did test a teams abililty to play as a team if nothing else

the fact is that clan BURHA! plain rule :P

but really the idea was right, the time consumption was wrong, and i get exactly where u were comin from with regard to other games beefy

now i wanna ask people.

at the next lan, IF i run a competition, we have to keep it short, simple, yet fair, and testing...

we'll have to see what games are mainstream then, but i think i will find it hard to manage a team-based thing again.

the only other idea we have had amongst ourselves so-far is that an elimination-style comp could be held, thus freeing up players faster and filtering out the people that would just get bored with the comp anyhoo.... hows that sound?

keep the suggestions flowing, oh and TweakTown have some LAN shots up: http://forums.tweaktown.com/showthread.php?threadid=3367

I have to agree with Beefy, as was probably obvious from our showing in the comp our group aren't CS or DoD players and became bored shitless about 8 am and went home. Though I like the idea of a comp and support the rewarding of people for what they're good at, it kinda highjacked the whole LAN.

I agree Beefy.

we lost two players cos it got to late and I think they where a little bored in between the rounds,but tanx to MaxPack for filling in for us in the last round:D

the big board idea is perfect that way we can keep track of who is where and what server they where on..yarda yarda.
I think it should have been up to the team captians to organize players for the comp so that there where no forfiets and everyone had a fair go at it, maybe have a list of players on the side of the boardx so that they could step in for clans that where short.(what beefy said anywayz)

there where about 5 of us that where ready to play sof2 and also no 1 played Mobile Forces which would have been as much fun as Codename Eagle

and funny u say " bad habbit of caping our asses in CS " [LOTD]Munch cos we had they same thing wit 1 of are playerz, all added to the fun I think theres nothing like getting spaded in DoD at ur spornpoint by ur own team..hehe:D

wow.. I'm surprised that went down so well. :D

My main gripe with the whole thing is the fact that there was only one major comp (the q3 one wasn't much of a success from what I'm assuming). I know it's a hell of a lot more to organise, but a couple, various smaller ones would be a bit nicer. But it looks like people have said that already.

Skullshot, before the next lan, if you want me to run something, let me know beforehand, and I'll do a heap of preparation for you, instead of you guys having to do it all. I'm willing to help out, and if you hadn't of caught me at the start of a Warcraft 3 game on Saturday, I coulda helped with the DoD/CS stuff, although you seemed to have a few people there anyways...

And yeah, the biathlon was a great theory, but let's not try that one again for a while.. :D If you really want a challenge, run a triathlon, with a FPS, an RTS and a puzzle game or something.. That would be interesting.. :D or just plain stupid.

i think that last suggestion was erm yeah i agree, insanely stupid idea

anyhoo

i think morb will have to get back to its roots for the next one, be it 3.5, 4 or 5
i got 3 more lans on the way, so umn yeah

i think in future, if u dont wanna be in a competition, dont go in it...

like beefy did, lets me clearly understand your point of view...
i dunno, you have to realise how hard it is to please everyone at these things, with such limited time and resources, thats y i reckon the next one I hold would be better with no competitions, just a few prizes mebbe some sorta individuals prize or somefin, i dunno


this sorta shit is hard to come up wif by oneself, my brain is starting to hurt argh

well we all enjoyed the biathlon but the rounds just went on too long maybe cut it down to 10 mins or sumfin.

the knockout comp is not a bad idea but if u did that it would be good to have some servers set up with sof2 or warcraft 3 clearly displayed that they are there ready to go so that the others have somfin to choose from whilst the rest of the comp proceeds

I think there would be alot of people that would like to give u a hand myself included even if it was just settin tables up ar sumfin.

on the possitive side.
whatever u do im sure its only gunna get better and are clan look forward to the next exciting episode of Morb lan partys:D

good to hear, plenty of people offered help and i think this time i had almost too much help, as in, the help was only just still manageable :)

but as always, i have always had servers runnin in the background, just people dont bother to look for them, even if i go to the trouble of making it that easy, as in, i had a q3a server goin all weekend and it barely got used til the comp, and i did see a couple of servers get started on some1's PC which is what makes it all seem worthless, when u bust ya arse to run a server for a popular game, and they ignore that, surely everyone knows about or even has a utility for lan game server browsing like server query?


ah well, mebbe to b on the safe side, next lan we can use these forums as a place to tell people where the servers are at and what they are running, oh wait on, thats right, i thought of that for #3, just no1 looked at the forums!!! well mebbe one or two...

but as u said, MorB LANs will only improve, like a fine wine..

;) That's one of the main reasons I started a thread over at TT about who wanted to play what. I just wanted to see how many numbers you could get for certain games. Yet with the big comp, you basically kill any chance of people playing anything else, as there isn't enough time / people to do it...

Well, it waz a great lan and rather well organised. Thankz heapz to all the ppl who put it together especially Jarod.

There waz a few things that didn't go too well though and they have pretty much been outlined already. I agree with what beefy said in regardz to all ppl being in clans n nothing else happend for the whole lan. This waz bad n i waz lucky that i waz in a clan. I remeber walkin ova to were he waz sittin n i saw him n a couple of his mates just doin their own thing. The musta got bored. Next time i think their needs to be some changes to the comp if ne at all. I think a better idea would b just 6 or 7 servers up and ppl can play what the hell they want.

Otherwise great lan....good pings, servers, cable supplied, chairs and tables were great, no power problems. Well organised.

Looking forward to the next one!

I thought it lacked variety in the games.
I was pumped for a game of medal of honor
but it was pretty good otherwise

i did run a moh server, and i heard it mentioned several times ppl sayin bout that "big moh game" and i even saw one server started on some1's computer. i eventually sacrificed the moh server for other taasks, but that sorta stuff was all there, i just needed to tell u all and u all needed a chance to play it.\

here, i'll start a poll over this way...actually, 2

Stealing my ideas again.. :) Next you'll have a poll on what games people wanna play. :D although that's probably not a good idea until closer to the next LAN.

Seems to be the big prob, apart from the CS/DoD comp sucking everyone's brains out, is lack of communication. It's pretty obvious now that I am definitely bringing a projector along to the next one, along with my laptop, so we can screen a bigass list of stuff up on the wall, and people can come and see me if they want something put up there, like requests, names, etc... I'm quite happy to take charge of that.

Something else that might be of use is some form of PA system. It's hard enough trying to yell and get everyone's attention when something is happening, let alone when they all have headphones on and are blasting away at others...

Anyways, I've said far too much again.. I'll let this sink in for a while...

I like the idea Beefy put forward about a comp with a FPS, RTS etc. I introduces a bit of variety. I admit it's prob a bastard to organise but it tests a teams gaming abilities over a wide area instead of only concentrating on a specific type of FPS. The CS/DoD comp only tested people for skill in team based FPS and excluded everything else including other FPS. I reckon a broader comp would show which team were better gamers rather than simply who was better at team FPS. Not all of us like CS/DoD, personally I'd like to invent a virus that purges them from peoples systems. Broader content will attract a broader range of players and give those of us who don't live and breath CS/DoD a fighting chance instead of us just being sniper bait.

The projector idea is great!! Most of us had no idea what games the servers were running, and no we don't have server browsing progs. If the projector displayed a list of active servers it would make things easier and ensure your hard work in organising the servers was rewarded.

I have a few thoughts here-


The comp, even shortened - ran longer than it should have for a couple of reasons:

A) People leaving to get food - in future if this happens during a scheduled time for a team game the team involved should either play with who is available, or forfeit said game.

B) Wait time in game - Anyone who was in a game against 0wnZ would have noticed that our whole clan was in the game up to 20 minutes BEFORE the opposition clan, Waiting. If all clans jumped straight into their next game as soon as they and the server were available, had max 5 mins warm up (which is all I gave, whereas some servers had in excess of 20 minutes warming up/messing around)and then played, changed teams, changed games, 5 mins warm up, played, changed teams, then jumped out to make the server ready for the next game, the comps would have been finished before 1am. Anyone who was in a game where I was rcon adminning would have seen this - and as jarrod noted "you guys are a round ahead of everyone else" - pointing out how much quicker not stuffing around was - we were into DoD while the rest of the matches were starting their second round of CS.

The biathalon idea didn't work as well as it could have, mainly because most of the clans that played had never seen dod before, and due to spawn camping - probably never will again.

And also just on file sharing - people using NT based machines who have stuff to share should be so kind as to enable the guest user in future - having that many machines there with half of them passworded out completely sucked. Also on filesharing, there was an instance where I noticed someone copying my trillian conversation logs - which contain sensitive information and passwords etc - that person knows who they are, and if those log files are ever seen by anyone again, a knife you shall meet. (and when they say they were after the trillian installer and u tell them where THAT is and they don't actually copy it, it really makes you wonder - not to mention the fact that they have been seen to be showing other people's MSN logs in the past.)

My gripes/complaints pretty much done, a projector would have been really nice, since nobody could communicate to start/end games, and even IN cs games half the clans failed to acknowledge server messages. You can't address people vocally if they are wearing headphones.. so...

And lucky last -

NO SPEAKERS

yeah, it was on the wall, yet people actually had the gall to COMPLAIN when this was pointed out to them

MorB LANs have ALWAYS been speaker free events, and if ur thinking "well I used speakers to play unreal tourney at morb 2", then yes, you broke the rules then, and annoyed the absolute shit out of about 10 people.

Not all of us like CS/DoD, personally I'd like to invent a virus that purges them from peoples systems.

I'll second that. And about the projectors, they are also useful for people to express interest in getting together a big game of something, usually an RTS where everyone starts at once... All they do if put a little message on screen and people can respond if they wanna play

A) People leaving to get food - in future if this happens during a scheduled time for a team game the team involved should either play with who is available, or forfeit said game.

That's a little harsh. There wasn't really a set break for people to eat, so if they wanted food when were they supposed to get it? And they didn't exactly know when the next event was going to start...

B) Wait time in game - Anyone who was in a game against 0wnZ would have noticed that our whole clan was in the game up to 20 minutes BEFORE the opposition clan, Waiting. If all clans jumped straight into their next game as soon as they and the server were available, had max 5 mins warm up (which is all I gave, whereas some servers had in excess of 20 minutes warming up/messing around)and then played, changed teams, changed games, 5 mins warm up, played, changed teams, then jumped out to make the server ready for the next game, the comps would have been finished before 1am. Anyone who was in a game where I was rcon adminning would have seen this - and as jarrod noted "you guys are a round ahead of everyone else" - pointing out how much quicker not stuffing around was - we were into DoD while the rest of the matches were starting their second round of CS.

Comes down to lack of communication again and, to a degree, lack of a proper timetable. If people had of been set a certain time in which they could complete the match, then a lot of problems could have been resolved.

And also just on file sharing - people using NT based machines who have stuff to share should be so kind as to enable the guest user in future - having that many machines there with half of them passworded out completely sucked. Also on filesharing, there was an instance where I noticed someone copying my trillian conversation logs - which contain sensitive information and passwords etc - that person knows who they are, and if those log files are ever seen by anyone again, a knife you shall meet. (and when they say they were after the trillian installer and u tell them where THAT is and they don't actually copy it, it really makes you wonder - not to mention the fact that they have been seen to be showing other people's MSN logs in the past.)

If you didn't want people accessing stuff, then why was it shared? The password problem can be annoying, especially trying to access some 2K/XP machines from 9x machines, but that's up to the users to figure out. Maybe some people had passwords for a reason...

My gripes/complaints pretty much done, a projector would have been really nice, since nobody could communicate to start/end games, and even IN cs games half the clans failed to acknowledge server messages. You can't address people vocally if they are wearing headphones..

A projector would have been great, it's a shame we couldn't use the roof mounted one in the hall. But you still gotta get people to look away from their screens, in which case you need some kind of audio signal / PA system to do this, unless you get everyone to run a voice Comm software, and blast messages over that.

NO SPEAKERS

yeah, it was on the wall, yet people actually had the gall to COMPLAIN when this was pointed out to them. MorB LANs have ALWAYS been speaker free events, and if ur thinking "well I used speakers to play unreal tourney at morb 2", then yes, you broke the rules then, and annoyed the absolute shit out of about 10 people.

Big agreed there. I noticed a couple people by the door with speakers. Was seriously considering goin over and telling them what I thought. But I was as far away as I could get, so I didn't bother.

A) People leaving to get food - in future if this happens during a scheduled time for a team game the team involved should either play with who is available, or forfeit said game.

That's a little harsh. There wasn't really a set break for people to eat, so if they wanted food when were they supposed to get it? And they didn't exactly know when the next event was going to start...

I would have been fine with them going for food, IF they had informed their opposition - as is it seemed that our clan managed to get food without disrupting any games, and I think the same goes for team BURHA - i'm not opposed to people eating, but when they dissapear and don't let anyone know where they have gone when they are up to play a game in the near future...

B) Wait time in game - Anyone who was in a game against 0wnZ would have noticed that our whole clan was in the game up to 20 minutes BEFORE the opposition clan, Waiting. If all clans jumped straight into their next game as soon as they and the server were available, had max 5 mins warm up (which is all I gave, whereas some servers had in excess of 20 minutes warming up/messing around)and then played, changed teams, changed games, 5 mins warm up, played, changed teams, then jumped out to make the server ready for the next game, the comps would have been finished before 1am. Anyone who was in a game where I was rcon adminning would have seen this - and as jarrod noted "you guys are a round ahead of everyone else" - pointing out how much quicker not stuffing around was - we were into DoD while the rest of the matches were starting their second round of CS.

Comes down to lack of communication again and, to a degree, lack of a proper timetable. If people had of been set a certain time in which they could complete the match, then a lot of problems could have been resolved.

There was time set, and the lack of communication is, I agree, the main problem here. If this is improved on in the future then it will all go off far better

And also just on file sharing - people using NT based machines who have stuff to share should be so kind as to enable the guest user in future - having that many machines there with half of them passworded out completely sucked. Also on filesharing, there was an instance where I noticed someone copying my trillian conversation logs - which contain sensitive information and passwords etc - that person knows who they are, and if those log files are ever seen by anyone again, a knife you shall meet. (and when they say they were after the trillian installer and u tell them where THAT is and they don't actually copy it, it really makes you wonder - not to mention the fact that they have been seen to be showing other people's MSN logs in the past.)

If you didn't want people accessing stuff, then why was it shared? The password problem can be annoying, especially trying to access some 2K/XP machines from 9x machines, but that's up to the users to figure out. Maybe some people had passwords for a reason...

I have 125gb of files on my computer (or close to), and I share 2 17.5gb partitions, one 11gb partition, and one 28gb partition, along with 24gb of mp3s from another partition. The trillian logs where close on the only sensitive information on my computer at all that was shared and I personally did not realise that it was so until I saw in share manager that the log files specifically where being accessed. from then on I stopped sharing the entire drive and now nobody can get programs from me, only games and installers.... my programs folder is where they are installed, if people at LANs cannot be trusted to use logic to decide what they should or shouldn't be accessing, perhaps they shouldn't be at LANs at all? Personally, if I see those log files anywhere in the future other than on my machine I will be having that particular person blacklisted from future MorB events - to me it looked as if they were targetting the log files; and if I see the files, that is proof that they were doing as I expected, which is an invasion of privacy and a breaking of the MorB rules, and the general LANners code of conduct.

When I goto shafted I won't be sharing the majority of my files, but when I am in a town like this I would like to think that the people we provide the LANs for can be trusted - and if they cannot, then they shouldn't be at the LANs. Period.

My gripes/complaints pretty much done, a projector would have been really nice, since nobody could communicate to start/end games, and even IN cs games half the clans failed to acknowledge server messages. You can't address people vocally if they are wearing headphones..

A projector would have been great, it's a shame we couldn't use the roof mounted one in the hall. But you still gotta get people to look away from their screens, in which case you need some kind of audio signal / PA system to do this, unless you get everyone to run a voice Comm software, and blast messages over that.

use of the pa would have been ideal, especially in combination with a projector - of which I thought we had access to many.... although I saw none

NO SPEAKERS

yeah, it was on the wall, yet people actually had the gall to COMPLAIN when this was pointed out to them. MorB LANs have ALWAYS been speaker free events, and if ur thinking "well I used speakers to play unreal tourney at morb 2", then yes, you broke the rules then, and annoyed the absolute shit out of about 10 people.

Big agreed there. I noticed a couple people by the door with speakers. Was seriously considering goin over and telling them what I thought. But I was as far away as I could get, so I didn't bother.

I think you'll find that was the same group as last time too...

did u really need to quote the whole thing? :)

of course not...

I'm quickly becoming tired of people griping about speakers. It's all fine for you guys to tell us we should buy this video card, we should get this processor, we should buy headphones. But some of us simply have higher priorities for our money and simply can't afford to bow to your whims. Think before you post cause we don't all have money, or parent's with money, or magic money trees. I don't think my landlord would be very understanding if I told him I was short on my rent cause I really needed a set of headphones. Besides our speakers were turned down and you have headphones on, so don't bitch for the sake of bitching.

The rule is simple. No headphones, no sound.

Besides that, a cheapy set of headphones will set u back less than $15, im sure thats not that hard to reach, regardless of monetary issues.

To each their own money area - Personally buying headphones I won't look at anything under $200, and am looking for sets around the $300 mark.... but that is the opposite extreme to most people, who are willing to pay around $40 for a set of behind the head sony headphones - which work great - I have a set, yet which don't come close to the performance of the Sennheiser HD450-II's I use at LANs. (and they wouldn't want to, for the difference in price)

I've also got about 6 sets of those in the ear crappy headphones that come with walkman and discman type players - which also work - maybe not a great sound, but better than you will get from speakers at a few dB in volume.

At both MorBius MK II and MorB 3 I heard speakers going even with my headphones on and at an acceptable volume.

The only reason speakers should be at a MorB LAN is if they are used to control the volume on your headphones (hence the reason I drag my crappy Altec Lansing AC55 set around with me).

If you can't afford to put up $10 for headphones, then how do you manage to afford the $20 entry fee....

We don't say buy these headphones or those headphones, we say if you don't have headphones (of any type) then don't have sound. as simple as that, not to mention the fact that speakers can cause all manner of problems such as interference with monitors - which I have seen before at LANs. Speakers are fine at your own LANs or other LANs, but when our rules say that MorB is a speaker free event; I don't care wether you can afford headphones or not - Speakers there shall not be.

I'm quickly becoming tired of people griping about speakers. It's all fine for you guys to tell us we should buy this video card, we should get this processor, we should buy headphones. But some of us simply have higher priorities for our money and simply can't afford to bow to your whims.

Woah... down boy.. Who's telling you to buy what? The pair of headphones I was using was a free set I got with an old 33.6k modem. I can't afford to go out and buy a decent set either. But they do the job, and I'm happy.

Surely you could have arranged to borrow some from somebody, or even bought a set of cheap and nasty ones... It's just not really fair that most people follow the rules, and a couple feel they are better than that.

Imagine what would happen if everyone decided they could break the rules and bring speakers? There'd be speakers all over the place. and the noise would be incredible, especially with all the people that would bring subwoofers and 4.1 surround sets...

Actually there are about 10 people every fortnight who want "only" $10 or $15, they add up and most of them will result in a solicitor's letter, no phone or power. The lest of my worries is someone griping about noise. And how did I afford Morb? I had to sell something actually. And playing without sound is just plain stupid, if you want me to play deaf to what's happening in game I'll tear your ears off and see how you like it.

go on.. tear his ears off. I gotta see this.. :D

It's not very fair when the rest of the attendees go to the effort of taking headphones and complying to the rules which are set for a reason, only to sit in game trying to track down an enmy by the sound of footsteps, to find that it was actually one of you guys sitting directly behind them playing in a different server whose footsteps they could hear. Many of us play games at home using headphones as sound can often be a key part in how we play games such as DoD and CS.

I know what it's like to have no sound, I was stuck in that position for a matter of weeks when I upgraded and my sound card decided to not work (fixed now), and while unpleasant, if the solution was as simple as borrowing a set of headfones from a mate for the weekend, you think I would have been in here bitching about how I haven't got any sound? I doubt it.

Speakers and big lans don't mix, regardless of how much money you do or don't have, regardless of how "reliable" your choice of volume is, and regardless of how arrogant and above the rules you feel.

I know for a fact that if we had allowed speakers there would have been at least two there who had $400+ speakers just waiting to see how much their new subwoofers could make the floor and walls vibrate. There are reasons for these rules to be in place, and you guys are setting a bad example, yet again, even after having been indicated to regarding the rules. We set a no speaker rule. No speakers is what it says, no speakers is how it goes. MorB 4, speaker bearing participants who have their speakers on and not plugged into headphones, volume regardless, will be asked to politely leave.

Whoah
look out
Computer speakers
High kwality sound ahoy
:rolleyes:

now slow down ppl

the rule is no speakers, most people that wanted to bring speakers or were in a spot that they had to bring speakers, were kind enough to personally message me asking if this was ok.

The rule is just that "No Speakers" and i find it amusing that the 354 people that were at shafted 21 all had headphones (so there may have been some speakers, but i _did_ look all over the venue for any1 with speakers and other stupid shite) oh and not 1 complaint did i hear from any1 that they had to bring headphones!

But valid point my claw.city some people are a little harder up at times, and headphones would maybe be a little hard to get onto, if in this scenario, just ask me...

its not like i am hard to contact, online 24/7, mobile phone 24/7, 12 email addresses, PM in forums, PM in IRC, SNAILMAIL!! surely with all these methods u couldnt say that i was too hard to contact (not that any1 has, just debunking b4 any1 tries)

on another note about the whole projector thing. everyone knows the morb website addy, or atleast they should by now, or even, at the lan, some1 could tell them. Now in terms of organising shit, that is what i had planned for the use of these forums, to get people using them, siigned up, and organising shit in here, oh and then there was the Direct Connect hub and server, with an IRC-like chat program built-in. so thats what the forums will be used for in future, coz no matter how far from the "projected image" you are, the forums are a clearly readable 2 clicks away (this assumes u have the forums set as your default home page, as i am sure you all do)

finally the white-board was used to display message such as "GO HERE HTTP://MORB.ATH.CX"
or
"team burha v ownz - server 8" this is what could be replaced with a hybrid forums/projector scenario

and about the PA system, yes thats an idea, but alas, due to the no speakers rule, alot of the time people cant hear it, this problem is true at shafted, they keep announcing shit and u cant hear it coz u got music or a movie or "BAM BAM BAM BAM BOOM" goin on in ya headphones

competition-wise there is NO WAY IN HELL i am runnin a comp that consists of all game genre's, u think that comp was time consuming all-rouinder would b worse! Also, you didnt have to think up a scoring system for the biathlon!! I shiver at the thought of doing the same for an all-round comp.

in closing, there was indeed a lack of communication, this problem has always existed, however dont dare say that I didnt try.

did i miss anything?

did i miss anything?

nope... don't think so.

I was only joking about the triathlon.. :)

I've just been thinking about all this, and I think it would be a pleasant change if we did have a lan with no comps, maybe the occasional prize, but no actual big comps.... That way, the projection would be people's main source of what's going on, and they can play other games, other than comp games all the time. Just a relaxing free-for-all two days.... like the old Kinko Lans.. :D

i'm in the same perspective, with a short comp or two on q3a and/or somefin else

mebbe a comp on somefin no1 has seen b4 just for some fun !! :)

anyhoo thats wot them pollz are for, so ppl can let me know wot they think too...

something like the kinko lans would rock - even tho I only went to the one I enjoyed it :)

and something like say an hour long comp of something like bridge-builder or something would be interesting, if nothing else...

It's good when you can just go, sit down and startr playing whatever you want, and not have to worry about comp times and teams and stuff... much more enjoyable

ok Iv missed it all beetween people ripping each others ears of to a simple salution to a P.A. system.....

My simple salution NET SEND....

I thought we were all computer literate enough to remember that 1 and if u dont believe me...try this at ur next lan

net send * Comp starting on MorB 6 [>CD<] vs [Ownz]

too easy

sometimes we get carried away with the bitching and the gripping and lose site of the true and clear answer..sheesh..:rolleyes:

Nice idea, but it won't work.

Partially due to Silencer and a couple others at the previous MorB, partially due to people shutting down system processes... alot of people don't actually have the message service running anymore....

yes, a lot of people have the messenger service disabled - seeing as it is practically useless except maybe for use with UPS'.

that and many people use win9x in which they need to be running the winpopup program in order to communicate with SMB messaging such as that created by net send.

consider this example tho:

smbspam.bat

@echo off
@net send * mwahahahahahah
@%0


and then running smbspam, either from the run box or from the command prompt

....try it and see the results if you don't understand, and you can call the file anything; it will still work. This is why people disable messenger, and such behaviour is no longer permitted at MorB and associated LANs, as it is disruptive (and just because I gave you an example of HOW, doesn't mean you go and use it anywhere - anyone with half a brain and some batch coding skills could have written that (not that that says all that much about me :P)).

I myself would have done it this way but every chef can cook a steak...

@echo off
:start
net send * MorB rules
goto start
cls

as for the fact of mis use of netsend thats an easy remedy considering that it tells u the computer at which it originated..

pretty hard to spoof unless u have control of a remote computer and I dout that anyone would bother...


as for people having to run winpopup for 9x its not hard to start it up by typing winpopup in the run dialog box..but anywhoo I just through that idea up cos...welll..just cos..:D

Suggestions for future LAN's:

Hold comps still for DOD and CS, but instead of team comps, have individual comps. Project up on the big projector that at 3pm till 3:30pm CS comp 1 will be running on 1 map for the entire 30 mins, then from 4pm till 4:30 PM the DoD comp 1 will be running on the 1 map for the entire 30 mins. then from 5 till 5:30 cs comp 2 will be running on another map for the entire 30 mins, then 6 till 6:30 DOD comp 2 will be running on another map for the entire 30 mins, then from 7 till 7:30 CS comp3 will be running on yet another map for the entire 30 mins, then 8 till 8:30 DOD comp 3 will be running on yet another map for the entire 30 mins. then at the end the stats are added up and the overall winner gets a prize :)

this is a fairly simple, yet good way at organising two popular comps. the times of course are just suggestions, but they give people time to rest inbetween, get food etc intime for the next CS or DOD comp just incase they wanted to enter both. Of course while these are running we have a couple of other servers up running other games (Q3, WC3, D2 etc), and depending on the popularity of these games possibly run a simlar competition.

Agree/Disagree anybody?
If needed, I will help setup these comps. MorB 3.5 could be a trial for this too :)

shadowman: to each his own, both do the same, mine's less code :)

also a point is that its pretty easy to temporarily change your username/computername as to annoy people with a msg spam... or you could just use *nix SAMBA SMB messaging with a BASH shell script.... but like I said, to each his own.

grim: DoD is not an individual game, and CS as is is a game intended not as an individual game either, but rather both are team games. Individual scores would not work as the teams and players each person opposes would not be an even challenge each round, nor would it be as enjoyable, especially if TKing was enabled.

yeah, true..true..


btw, about that TKing...LMFAO!!! hahahha!!! LOLOL!!! damn that was fun!!! i can't wait to see my stats...

/me remembers one situation...:

we all got killed (in this particular round) when playing BURHA, we were running along in a group, i primed a grenade, SileNceR saw me then thought to himself 'oh fuck, theres no enemies near, the crazy biatch is gonna hold onto it' then starting running the other way, only he didn't run fast enuf...


lmao! now that game was fun ;)


and sorry to the team that we totally spawn camped and they ended up quitting...we had to :)

one problem with seeing the stats - i dont have any :( most of the servers got taken away before i had a chance to grab the logs (ie. i forgot)

i only have morb 5's logs

the other thing is that to have a dod comp with the individual in mind is near impossible, mainly because - A. DoD is a team game and B. the way the DoD Logs work, a *good player will be doing things like capping flags, or working their way into the enemy area or somefin like that, and alot of the things that define a *good player* are not logged in any way, so it can't work like that, besides that, the easiest way to get a statistically "good score" in DoD is to grab an MG and setup camp at the enemy spawn, or on a chokepoint, hence no way can that work.

shadow: the misuse of netsend has been a problem at most lans since win2k, some1 is always a smartarse, even the one time SileNceR did it...

its not that we can't catch whoever it was that spammed, its that we shouldnt have to do that, hence we dont want to invite trouble by enforcing the use of it...generally its in best practices in setting up an NT-based box that the messenger service is killed on the head

oh yeah, btw this post took ages to type up, i had to concentrate coz i am a little pissed

yes, apologise for our cheap ass tactics go to all the teams we played Comp DOD against (burha excluded), especially LOTD.

Just remember, you have Clan BURHA, and especially BlackLord to thank for such tactics being ALLOWED in the competition. While we believe in fairplay, we felt that to keep our scores even remotely on par with BURHA we needed to follow their lead - they set it as allowed, it's pretty obvious as to their intentions.

k net send is out .:)

but I do think that when announcing when games start an what server that it would be good to have a messaging system with individuals computers thats the 1 way of making sure everyone has the message...any ideas?

and as for spawn camping I myself was guilty of that against itchy in the last round of DoD..sKs rember?

DoD is DoD and spawn camping is typical tactics, so thats why i dont remember :)

but anyhoo just saw this 2nite in IRC to further debunk net send ideas:

[7:19pm] <#####> but when we went to play the war some fag kept netsending me messages which kept crashing my HL
[7:19pm] <@@@@@> LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!
[7:19pm] <#####> so we were constantly down a man
[7:19pm] <@@@@@> you can turn that off
[7:19pm] <#####> was fucked
[7:19pm] <#####> yer i soon did
[7:19pm] <@@@@@> i told kap to do it before he went
[7:19pm] <@@@@@> happened at sydney to
[7:20pm] <#####> yer like its the latest craze to piss off 450 people in a lan

oh yeah, DoD 3 = Para maps = GAY MAPS

Para maps are not only gay, but the para gameplay sucks - its like cs only its a lot easier to die... u know

Morb was cool :P nw was fast players were cool :P and u played games i was playing when i stopped playing games 6 months ago!! thanks!!! :P

hey maybe ill be there more than 3 hrs next time :D

Sacrifice :D